Comments on: Forget #Vegefail How about #SocialMediaMarketerFail http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/forget-vegefail-how-about-socialmediamarketerfail/ A Top 20 ranked Australian marketing blog Thu, 27 Aug 2015 06:02:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.1 By: The 3 key lessons from my second year of blogging | Online Marketing Banter http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/forget-vegefail-how-about-socialmediamarketerfail/comment-page-1/#comment-2846 Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:25:22 +0000 http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/?p=871#comment-2846 [...] industry issues – Including iSnack 2.0, Toyota’s high profile social pitch and the viability of specialist social media [...]

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By: Nathan McKelvey http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/forget-vegefail-how-about-socialmediamarketerfail/comment-page-1/#comment-2599 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:41:11 +0000 http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/?p=871#comment-2599 Very good angle on this story. Most companies, especially the larger ones can’t afford to take big risks and with technology that they don’t really understand will naturally make them nervous. A more conservative approach to social media can provide some ROI without the risk of hurting the brand but certainly removes the ability for a viral “big score.”

The lesson here is “don’t try to be cool if you have to take out the risk.” I’ve never seen it work.

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By: James Mason http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/forget-vegefail-how-about-socialmediamarketerfail/comment-page-1/#comment-2595 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:23:41 +0000 http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/?p=871#comment-2595 I think what a lot people in this thread are missing is that what these guys were trying to do was to try and modernise and update an old and established brand and introduce a new product into the market place. I think after reading this thread I think that they’ve been somewhat successful. They’ve stirred up debate, brought attention to the product and its had some viral effect. I personally think the name is lame but I’m totally curious to try it now, who here isn’t? Another question I suppose is how else could it have been done? Did it even have a chance to begin with?

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By: James Duthie http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/forget-vegefail-how-about-socialmediamarketerfail/comment-page-1/#comment-2594 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:30:11 +0000 http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/?p=871#comment-2594 Thanks everyone for your detailed and passionate comments. I think it’s the type of intelligent debate that has been largely missing to this point. I wont respond to everyone individually as the repetition factor would be significant. So instead I’ll address the core issues raised.

Firstly, let it be known that I’m not trying to attempt to protect brands within social media. If you check out the archive of my blog you’ll find plenty of instances where I’ve criticised brands myself. ANZ and Wrigley’s are 2 brands I’ve taken a swipe at in my last handful of posts. That simply isn’t my agenda.

As I said to Nathan earlier, criticism in fine provided it’s of a constructive nature, particularly from an audience such as marketering professionals. Unfortunately, I have seen little discussion of a constructive nature. Instead, I’ve seen Hitler parody videos being passed around and lame jokes. And I’m sorry Tim but your iSnack blog falls into the same category for me.

I expect more from a professional audience. I’d hope we’re above brand trolling. It’s true that this backlash would have happened regardless. But that doesn’t mean we marketers need to pour petrol on the flames.

I read a lot of blogs within the industry. Many are frustrated with the Australian corporate mentality and hesitancy towards new media channels. But it is the ultimate in hypocrisy to complain about this issue one day, and then fuel that very fear the next.

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By: inspiredworlds http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/forget-vegefail-how-about-socialmediamarketerfail/comment-page-1/#comment-2593 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:24:27 +0000 http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/?p=871#comment-2593 yeah we’re quick to shoot down other marketing campaigns.

but weren’t we all praising kraft like a month ago for their crowdsourcing promotion?

seems like you have to execute a perfect social media campaign due to the backchannel. but there’ll never be a perfect campaign and i beileve kraft took a brave step towards engaging social media. you have to experiment, try, fail, succeed, etc..

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By: nextbrett http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/forget-vegefail-how-about-socialmediamarketerfail/comment-page-1/#comment-2592 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:59:05 +0000 http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/?p=871#comment-2592 James,
That’s not like you to have a crack at social media marketers? : )

I liken Social Media to the music industry, you have brands being creative and pushing ideas out to audiences… you have marketers who didn’t make it as the critics, consumers are the fans… I could go on.

Anyway, I agree it’s pretty shameful when marketers start throwing mud particularly when it’s not exactly clear what’s going on. I flagged this campaign on my blog some time ago, they toy with a beloved product, they ask people not to link to them, then this. How easy would it have been to narrow down a list of top 10 names and have the public vote on it? So, I don’t think we’ve seen the end of this campaign yet.

Social Media is as much about failing and showing how real a brand can be… Weed out the negative industry chatter and I wonder if there would be any online banter at all on this?

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By: Bambi Gordon http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/forget-vegefail-how-about-socialmediamarketerfail/comment-page-1/#comment-2591 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:15:25 +0000 http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/?p=871#comment-2591 Re the concern that management may think: “After all, if this is how they treat one of Australia’s favourite brands, how can we expect them to treat everyone else?” -

How the broader community has treated one of Australia’s fav brands is by standing up for it & protecting it against a stupid and ill conceived line extension. In all of this the criticism is directed at the corporation – The Original Vegemite brand is being more firmly embraced. And that embrace is being shared, communicated and promoted via – social media!

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By: Bambi Gordon http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/forget-vegefail-how-about-socialmediamarketerfail/comment-page-1/#comment-2590 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:09:57 +0000 http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/?p=871#comment-2590 Just because one of the tools used by Kraft was social media does not mean that the criticism of the campaign is directed to, nor should reflect upon, social media. Ditto – just because social media now exists and the people have a voice doesn’t mean that we can all stop marketing because of the fear that someone may voice a negative opinion.

I don’t think that criticising the marketing strategy is shitting in the social media woods. I don’t think that criticising the marketing strategy was shitting in the live events wood either (the name was announced to a live audience in Fed Square apparently). Nor is it shitting in the woods of the TV live-cross.

The critcism is directed towards a campaign that suffered some coitus interruptus (perhaps it could have been heightened and extended by having people vote for the finalists); and for selecting a name that the broader loyal rusted on Vegemite community don’t get.

The two things that have surprised me the most out of all of this is that so many marketers seem to think that any publicity is good publicity. And the premise of this post that we should not criticise the campaign because we may put at risk the take up of social media as a marketing tool.

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By: barry http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/forget-vegefail-how-about-socialmediamarketerfail/comment-page-1/#comment-2589 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:02:14 +0000 http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/?p=871#comment-2589 If I was going to hire a marketer, I wouldn’t be hiring one who failed to notice that iSnack2.0 was a terrible, terrible idea. I want a marketer who knows their ass from their elbow, and isn’t afraid to say so.

If social media marketers need to keep quiet about major failures to protect their industry, that’s a worry.

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By: Tim Bennett http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/forget-vegefail-how-about-socialmediamarketerfail/comment-page-1/#comment-2588 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:35:06 +0000 http://onlinemarketingbanter.com/?p=871#comment-2588 Hi James, I’m the creator of the iSnack2.com blog… and I’m a marketer. So it would appear that I am a prime target of your post! To be honest, I never thought of the issue in the light you presented it: I first heard about #vegefail while shopping, registered the domain on the bus ride home, and hooked it up to a newly-minted Tumblr blog with the intent of poking fun at some (I believe) seriously bad product strategy.

I disagree with your post. If anything, #vegefail is an example of the delicacy with which one must handle a cherished and established brand. It’s not so much that Kraft chose a stupid name, it’s that they appear to be willing to tarnish an Australian cultural icon with an illogical name that was out of date before it was announced.

And if your Twitter stream was a little broader, you’d see that marketers are hardly alone in gathering around, stones in hand, to give Kraft a good going over. Marketers are also consumers, and consumers are angry at this decision.

I think you’re wrong that some marketers “constantly criticise brands for social media inaction”. The broader theme than “criticising inaction” is “criticising poor social media execution”, and that’s what’s happening with #vegefail, too.

And I don’t think we should mollycoddle the marketing industry by insulating it from the effects it’s likely to feel at the hands of the public when its practitioners make cosmic cockups like iSnack 2.0.

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